Kiffin Needs Adult Supervision

NCAA may as well put in a Kiffin tip line for other SEC fans

Since he arrived at the University of Tennessee, Coach Lane Kiffin has been called brash, cocky, and arrogant. And this is from his supporters. He has flouted NCAA rules, earning “secondary violations” to help in recruiting. He frequently insults other SEC coaches.

He has been lauded in a rap song for “talking shit.”

And these descriptions and actions have been cheered by the Vol nation because it helps recruiting, and recruiting is the name of the game. This calculated effort to put UT in the national spotlight has been successful. But there is a difference between being famous and being notorious.

It hasn’t seemed to concern anyone that the commissioner of the SEC can’t stand Kiffin. It hasn’t seemed to concern anyone that other coaches in the SEC think Kiffin is a punk. Of more concern might be hundreds of thousands of fans of other SEC schools who have as their mission in life to scrutinize social media, message boards, and blogs looking for anything to hurt UT football.

The SEC and the NCAA may need to set up a special “Lane Kiffin Tips” hotline. There are currently two NCAA investigations into Vol recruiting. Does anyone think these will be the last? And does anyone think the SEC will be reluctant to nail Kiffin’s hide to the wall? A News Sentinel poll has most fans voting that the NCAA is on a witch hunt. So? Will it make you feel better if UT is punished and you can cuss the NCAA? What will you do, vote them out of office? Maybe you can have a pity party with Alabama fans.

Kiffin takes his personal assistant, who is forbidden to do off-campus recruiting, on a recruiting trip to a Florida high school. The assistant graduated from the school. Does this sound smart?

Two very pretty young college girls drive 200 miles to attend a high school football game and cheer on two UT prospects. The fact that they are members of the Orange Pride, a university sponsored group, makes it a violation. Aside from pretty co-eds, the story is also all about social media. From what I can gather, Facebook, MySpace. and Twitter are now important elements in recruiting. It’s possible for good-looking young co-eds to be in constant touch with recruits from all over the SEC, and it would seem to me to be a formidable recruiting tool for impressionable 18-year-old high school boys.

Given Kiffin’s track record in recruiting, does anyone believe he isn’t aware of this weapon at his disposal? Or believe that he wouldn’t use it? Tip for UT fans: It isn’t only Vol fans who read Facebook. It only takes one “friend” at another school to give the NCAA access to communications between co-eds and recruits.

It’s unfortunate that these two young women now find themselves at the center of a scandal. The suggestions out there on the Internet, based on no evidence, are troubling. If anyone at UT had any role in putting these young women in this position, it is more egregious than recruiting violations.

These investigations cast a pall on UT and its athletic department. Is it a coincidence the investigations are occurring on the eve of the recruiting season? Does a top recruit sign with a school under pending NCAA sanctions? How will the Vol nation feel when there is a lot less recruiting needed in coming years—you don’t need to recruit as much when the NCAA has taken away scholarships.

Athletic Director Mike Hamilton needs to get control of his football team. There needs to be some grown-up supervision of Coach Kiffin. This isn’t the “outlaw” Oakland Raiders. It’s the flagship university of the state of Tennessee.

The UT Trustees insist on keeping control of the football team at the system level. Are you proud to have discussions in the press about UT co-eds “brushing breasts” against recruits, or that the new catchphrase around the conference is that you can’t spell “slut” without UT? Any of you have daughters at UT?

Time to earn your football tickets. You need to get your house in order, folks

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Comments » 33

golfballs03 writes:

Frank Cagle needs to put down the New York Times

ILovetheMetroPulse writes:

Very stupid article. Overly sensational for the subject matter and way too many rhetorical questions. You need to get your facts straight, too.

98VOLS writes:

"Frankly" you are a hater. I'm so tired of everyone on Kiffin's back. I don't care what he does off the field as long as he wins. You writers are brave with the words you write, but you are just cowards. I bet you wouldn't say any of this to Kiffin's face. Kiffin is a hard-nosed coach that demands respect and discipline from his players. Despite his off the field issues, he has the Vols headed in the right direction. So Frank find something else to write about.

rlmiller writes:

I bet the folks defending Lane all voted for Obama. Facts and actions seem to matter very little to you. Just like Obama voters, you're willing to overlook all the evidence of his transgressions and where he is taking us. That matters not. As 98VOLS so eloquently stated, "I don't care what he does off the field as long as he wins." WOW! That is the type of attitude that has resulted in a socialist in the White House. Good job! :-(

rlmiller writes:

Good and factual article, Frank.

As usual, most of Vol Nation is making excuses and placing blame on the deliverer of the news of the infractions, rather than on the one responsible for the infractions. Lane Kiffin is a joke and is making Tennessee (school and state) look like a joke to the rest of the nation!

joebomb writes:

Where are those pretty girls you speak of? I saw the picture of the two orange pride girls. Are there other photos? By the way, you're an idiot and so is rlmiller. What does Obama have to do with this? The comments made by the dad about brushing boobs....he was allegedly paid by coach Spurrier to say that. Actually I made that up but it would be a great article. How do i get a job like yours?

rlmiller writes:

Way to go joebomb! You've just confirmed every point I've made. Thank you!

mobil1 writes:

Kiffin definitely needs adult supervision. This list of transgressions is egregious!

Jan. 9: UT uses fog machine
Jan. 16: mock press conference with recruits
Feb.7: said on the radio that recruit Bryce Brown was a great player
May. 22: Kiffin’s personal assistant tweets about JC Copeland commitment using Kiffin’s twitter account
June. 20: Kiffin is filmed talking to recruit Lamarcus Joyner by ESPN show

I mean, add the Orange Pride visit and the intern visit on the recruiting trip, and I think we're dealing with a university htat has LOST INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL!

ambrown writes:

Kiffin has a target on his back because he is a) in everyone's face, b) has recruited some talent, and perhaps most important, c) has gotten his talent to prepare and execute at a high level. Without all of these ingredients, the witch hunt doesn't happen. Is there some poor judgement...yes. Is it better or worse than other schools...you don't know and neither do I. Besides, the SEC has a billion dollars in TV contracts, and Tennessee played its best ball when the lights were brightest -- so which guy from the league office wants to go tell CBS and ESPN that we're cutting the walnuts off one of the money teams?

Frank -- I read independent rags all around the country. The typical reporter for these Village Voice wannabes is a comical cliche. The moral indignation in the speaking voice, the overly earnest tone of peeling back the onion to expose the rot at the core. Sinclair Lewis you are not, but if you want to tackle a real story, how about the brazeness with which the league propped up its two marquee properties this year? This includes the repeated "perfect" timing of inexplicably bad calls that preserved the championship showdown. It happened so many times that even the gentlemen coaches couldn't hold their tongues, and where therefore silenced by Lord Farquad. How 'bout a story on a fan base that is so jaded by greed in other social institutions that it expects cheating and therefore tempers its outrage over the Florida vs. Arkansas fiasco.

Kiffin may be a King in that system later, but right now he is just a pawn, and the conference power structure does not like him making noise. As a modern day muckraker, why don't you attack the hypocrisy of the league lecturing Kiffin on ethics. Or how the kids all see 50 year old boosters and administrators with money sticking out their holes, and wonder why the 18-23 year olds are the only people in this food chain being held accountable? After being showered with that slime, all of these kids need to have a warm sponge bath, of course performed by a loyal hostess.

rlmiller writes:

I wonder if you apologists would feel the same if it were your daughter that were being used, with name attacked and face plastered across the nation, by Lane and his rogue staff? Somehow I don't think it would matter. You'd still find reason to excuse Lane because, after all, it doesn't matter "what he does off the field as long as he wins."

That sums it up. You're a sad lot.

ohiovol writes:

Wake up Knoxville! Tennesee boy up in here in Ohio. Do you know how many secondary violations Ohio State has committed since the pristine Jim Tressell took over at OSU? Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. It's basically the same at any division I school that wants a decent football team, including Cincinnati, South Florida, Vanderbilt and yes, even Florida and Alabama. Why? Because the freakin' NCAA rulebook is thousands of pages thick. Why else? Because to be competitive on the field, the Coach has to recruit like a mofo. So, get off this guy's back. In fact, get behind the guy. He's going to be a very talented college coach, and he's bringing Tennessee back! All the innuendo is fueled by Urban Meyer's inner hate for Kiffen and communicated through his buddy at the New York Times. Meanwhile, the flimsy reporting with KNS is just retelling the alleged minutia. Rest easy Vol nation, and support your very good football coach.

rlmiller writes:

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Hope they make y'all feel better. They sure do not change reality, however. Of course those of you making excuses are far removed from reality.

Thank you Frank Cagle for attempting to open the eyes of Vol Nation. As you can see, eyes and ears remain tightly closed. Wonder if they will open after we are hit with major violations? Nah, that will simply generate more excuses. Ho-hum.

Now go ahead and post more excuses.

BigOrangeDem writes:

The hostess thing is a little bit much, and I'm a huge Lane Kiffin fan. You can look at the list of stuff posted above as far as his "egregious" recruiting violations and only one of them should rub you the wrong way. Personally I'm not sure why the NCAA outlaws some of the things they do. He can't say Bryce Brown is a "great player?" Yes, it's against the rules but you can't give me one decent excuse as to why it's against the rules. Fog machines? I mean, really people.

And rlmiller, I really don't understand where your hatred is coming from. He's just a coach for crying out loud, and way to use a message board centered around discussing a coach to tout your political philosophy. The real reason that people hate Lane Kiffin has nothing to do with recruiting violations and all that. The real reason is because he is different and this state is absolutely, positively terrified of anything that is even slightly different from the way we have done things for decades. Here's the bottom line: Lane Kiffin's way works. You can't complain about Fulmer's lacksadaisical coaching style on one day and then complain about Kiffin's "brash" style the next.

Think of collegiate football as a business. Whether you like it or not it brings an incredible amount of revenue to Knoxville. Like him or not, people will watch Kiffin if only to see what he does next. He's sensational, he's brash, he's loud, and he's here to stay. So if you're not happy with what the Orange in Knoxville looks like now, throw on a little blue and head down to Gainesville. At least you'll get a few calls thrown your way.

mobil1 writes:

I think rlmiller is that saddest of this lot. Way too emotionally invested in what Kiffin says and does.

ambrown writes:

rlmiller -- if you're gonna be all morally indignant (and yes that is a defensible position, because there are abuses and unholy practices throughout) you need to line up the entire system in your sites -- not just one dude. If self-serving motives, bad behaviors and sleazy tactics -- all in the name of "the kids" -- is your beef, than going after Kiffen alone is dumb. You're attacking a leaf rather than the tree. Also, we are not the only program in America doing this stuff, As I look around, its hard to find a company or institution tha doesn't use sexy people to influence and manipulate. And if your problem is doing that with kids, then keep your children away from the movies, Nick, Disney and the freakin' cereal aisle at the grocery store. Kiffin may make himself an easy targt, but it is somewhat refreshing that he does not shroud his motives and desires in a bunch of bogus crap about Jesus or caring about the kids. Reasses your position in terms of context. On style and brashness, you can attack him. On actual bad behavior however, he's not much better/worse than the rest of his lot, and the self-righteous BS artists at some of the other major schools that pass themselves off as saints.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

Nice 1-sided argument there Frank. What I particularly like, aside from the many, many rhetorical questions, is the fact that you blatantly ignore the fact that EVERY OTHER SCHOOL DOES THE SAME THING!!!!! You’re naïve and ignorant to think otherwise. Kiffin managed to ruffle some feathers, and nobody seems to like that, which I’m sure has led to this investigation that will doubtfully lead to anything other than a lot of overhyped media attention and maybe a secondary slap on the wrist.

Say what you want about him, but he’s pumping life back into the program, reviving rivalries, and has done a great job of recruiting and coaching up his players. However, you all don’t want to talk about the positives… just keep digging up dirt and crying that the Fulmer years are officially over. Grow up!

Gbatw1 writes:

This is one of the worst articles I have ever read. I don't understand how politically charged conservative articles could be sanctioned by the Metro Pulse. Writing such as this is best on a blog or someone's personal website. Good luck in however much life you have left Frank Cagle... you must be pretty old if "brushing breasts" offends you, or maybe you just haven't enjoyed a good breast brushing in awhile.

Brett51 writes:

Who cares? I don't care how he gets them, what they do, or how many " sl*ts" it takes! Win and people will look the other way. You think they didn't know Reggie Bush was being payed to play at USC? Of course they did, but when your winning championhips who gives a f* uck!

FREEDOM writes:

If the "violations" you claim in your article are truly violations, then the NCAA should just ban all college sports. Or maybe the better idea is to ban the NCAA since they have become more or less a joke.

p.s. I did not vote for Obama!

tuscavol writes:

in response to mobil1:

Kiffin definitely needs adult supervision. This list of transgressions is egregious!

Jan. 9: UT uses fog machine
Jan. 16: mock press conference with recruits
Feb.7: said on the radio that recruit Bryce Brown was a great player
May. 22: Kiffin’s personal assistant tweets about JC Copeland commitment using Kiffin’s twitter account
June. 20: Kiffin is filmed talking to recruit Lamarcus Joyner by ESPN show

I mean, add the Orange Pride visit and the intern visit on the recruiting trip, and I think we're dealing with a university htat has LOST INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL!

While you were listing that rather short list of secondary violations, did you check on the other institutions of higher education and compare the numbers. Do you honestly think a smoke machine makes your point. In fact, what you did was show that Kiffin did better than most when it coomes to secondary infractions. Kiffin is the most disliked coach out right now and you idiots keep fanning the flames. You keep his name on your lips and you constantly write about him. Keep this up and you are going to make him a legend. I wouldn't say he is an angel and some of the criticism he has received was well deserved but ask your self this; how much of this is Kiffin and how much belongs to the media. If you honestly think he is that bad and is destined to fail, give him all the rope he needs to hang himself. If you don't like Tennessee of Kiffin, stop investing your time with thoughts of him. The media sets the trend and you jumped on the band wagon because it's the popular thing right now. Bash Lane Kiffin. Go ahead, knock yourself out but keep in mind he won't lose his job just because YOU think he should. Who knows, his legend might pass the likes of Steve Spurrier one day. Most of you respect him. Now!

tuscavol writes:

in response to ambrown:

Kiffin has a target on his back because he is a) in everyone's face, b) has recruited some talent, and perhaps most important, c) has gotten his talent to prepare and execute at a high level. Without all of these ingredients, the witch hunt doesn't happen. Is there some poor judgement...yes. Is it better or worse than other schools...you don't know and neither do I. Besides, the SEC has a billion dollars in TV contracts, and Tennessee played its best ball when the lights were brightest -- so which guy from the league office wants to go tell CBS and ESPN that we're cutting the walnuts off one of the money teams?

Frank -- I read independent rags all around the country. The typical reporter for these Village Voice wannabes is a comical cliche. The moral indignation in the speaking voice, the overly earnest tone of peeling back the onion to expose the rot at the core. Sinclair Lewis you are not, but if you want to tackle a real story, how about the brazeness with which the league propped up its two marquee properties this year? This includes the repeated "perfect" timing of inexplicably bad calls that preserved the championship showdown. It happened so many times that even the gentlemen coaches couldn't hold their tongues, and where therefore silenced by Lord Farquad. How 'bout a story on a fan base that is so jaded by greed in other social institutions that it expects cheating and therefore tempers its outrage over the Florida vs. Arkansas fiasco.

Kiffin may be a King in that system later, but right now he is just a pawn, and the conference power structure does not like him making noise. As a modern day muckraker, why don't you attack the hypocrisy of the league lecturing Kiffin on ethics. Or how the kids all see 50 year old boosters and administrators with money sticking out their holes, and wonder why the 18-23 year olds are the only people in this food chain being held accountable? After being showered with that slime, all of these kids need to have a warm sponge bath, of course performed by a loyal hostess.

You said it well my friend. Very very solid.

tuscavol writes:

in response to ohiovol:

Wake up Knoxville! Tennesee boy up in here in Ohio. Do you know how many secondary violations Ohio State has committed since the pristine Jim Tressell took over at OSU? Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. It's basically the same at any division I school that wants a decent football team, including Cincinnati, South Florida, Vanderbilt and yes, even Florida and Alabama. Why? Because the freakin' NCAA rulebook is thousands of pages thick. Why else? Because to be competitive on the field, the Coach has to recruit like a mofo. So, get off this guy's back. In fact, get behind the guy. He's going to be a very talented college coach, and he's bringing Tennessee back! All the innuendo is fueled by Urban Meyer's inner hate for Kiffen and communicated through his buddy at the New York Times. Meanwhile, the flimsy reporting with KNS is just retelling the alleged minutia. Rest easy Vol nation, and support your very good football coach.

We are on the same page. I am a Vol fan living in Alabama so you know what I am going through. If the media liked Kiffin and he had followed the same path, you wouldn't read half the articles you do on him now. Spurrier opens his pie hole and the stink blows over without a second thought. The double standard is; if you win a few games, it's ok to run your mouth and poke at other coaches. I for one like the fact that Kiffin has got a backbone and WILL stand his ground. I have not agreed with everything he has done but I don't see him as being any worse than other coaches. He just gets more attention.

tuscavol writes:

in response to rlmiller:

I bet the folks defending Lane all voted for Obama. Facts and actions seem to matter very little to you. Just like Obama voters, you're willing to overlook all the evidence of his transgressions and where he is taking us. That matters not. As 98VOLS so eloquently stated, "I don't care what he does off the field as long as he wins." WOW! That is the type of attitude that has resulted in a socialist in the White House. Good job! :-(

you should get some help because Lane Kiffin is the least of YOUR problems. You got issues.

tuscavol writes:

in response to rlmiller:

I wonder if you apologists would feel the same if it were your daughter that were being used, with name attacked and face plastered across the nation, by Lane and his rogue staff? Somehow I don't think it would matter. You'd still find reason to excuse Lane because, after all, it doesn't matter "what he does off the field as long as he wins."

That sums it up. You're a sad lot.

Your the sad one here. How do you know Kiffin had anything to do with this girl. You assume this because you don't like the man. You want these RUMORS to be true. Vol fans don't. We are simply going to wait until a verdict comes in before WE pass judgment on OUR coach. What if Kiffin were your son? Even if you were not there would you believe he was guilty without proof the way you have with Kiffin? No you wouldn't. Try not to find so much fault in a fan base not wanting to see something like this being true. I would like to think, no, I hope Kiffin was much smarter than to send Orange Pride members on a recruiting trip to such a public event. How do YOU think just showing up to a game and leaving once it was over would lure a player to your school? Too much of a risk for such a casual show of interest. Get off the wagon man.

GO VOLS!!!!

tuscavol writes:

in response to ambrown:

rlmiller -- if you're gonna be all morally indignant (and yes that is a defensible position, because there are abuses and unholy practices throughout) you need to line up the entire system in your sites -- not just one dude. If self-serving motives, bad behaviors and sleazy tactics -- all in the name of "the kids" -- is your beef, than going after Kiffen alone is dumb. You're attacking a leaf rather than the tree. Also, we are not the only program in America doing this stuff, As I look around, its hard to find a company or institution tha doesn't use sexy people to influence and manipulate. And if your problem is doing that with kids, then keep your children away from the movies, Nick, Disney and the freakin' cereal aisle at the grocery store. Kiffin may make himself an easy targt, but it is somewhat refreshing that he does not shroud his motives and desires in a bunch of bogus crap about Jesus or caring about the kids. Reasses your position in terms of context. On style and brashness, you can attack him. On actual bad behavior however, he's not much better/worse than the rest of his lot, and the self-righteous BS artists at some of the other major schools that pass themselves off as saints.

THAT was A1 reading. You area right, since Kiffin got the job, everyone else now has a halo over their heads. It makes everyone else feel better now that they have a "whipping boy" to focus on in the media. Remember the saying " don't hate the player, hate the game."

tuscavol writes:

in response to FREEDOM:

If the "violations" you claim in your article are truly violations, then the NCAA should just ban all college sports. Or maybe the better idea is to ban the NCAA since they have become more or less a joke.

p.s. I did not vote for Obama!

Would that change your opinion if you had?

VOLsince68 writes:

in response to rlmiller:

Good and factual article, Frank.

As usual, most of Vol Nation is making excuses and placing blame on the deliverer of the news of the infractions, rather than on the one responsible for the infractions. Lane Kiffin is a joke and is making Tennessee (school and state) look like a joke to the rest of the nation!

First of all, I am appalled that you would even compare the importance of the politics of our nation (and what is wrong with it) with what happens at UT. That is ridiculous.

I for one did NOT vote for Obama, but I happen to like what Kiffin is doing on The Hill. Do I agree with every thing he's done; the answer is NO. But he is cleaning house. That place had gotten too stagnant in the past few years. I love Fulmer, but it was his time.

You need to get your head out of your butt and realize this ain't the 1960's NCAA.......

You can't take a dump these days without it being reported in some way in the media. If you ask me, the media is what is wrong with sports today. Too many of them.

Do you really believe this does not go on at other institutions? If so, don't light a match............

FREEDOM writes:

in response to tuscavol:

Would that change your opinion if you had?

NOPE. I still would vote against Obama regardless of what Frank, Kiffin or the NCAA say or do.

VOLsince68 writes:

in response to rlmiller:

I wonder if you apologists would feel the same if it were your daughter that were being used, with name attacked and face plastered across the nation, by Lane and his rogue staff? Somehow I don't think it would matter. You'd still find reason to excuse Lane because, after all, it doesn't matter "what he does off the field as long as he wins."

That sums it up. You're a sad lot.

Sir, you truly have issues. It almost sounds like you have been personally involved or even mistreated. You have waaayyy too much personal issues towards Coach Kiffin it sounds like to me. You know they have medicine for that.........

As for the girls, I'm sure that Coach Kiffin personally called and had their pictures uploaded to the internet for the NCAA and everyone to see. Heck, he probably even uploaded them himself.......

Hey, remember not to light that match......

OliverDeeWorld writes:

I have an idea next issue why don't you degrade your top ad sponsor,then in a few issues your paper will be destroyed, and you can look at your out of work co-workers and say but I was right! Also how many pride members did you talk to,or did you ask Slive if he hates Kiffin,maybe ask another coach what he thought of Kiffin how bout Johnny M.? Oh wait this is just a reckless opinion, apology next issue is what I'm saying.We probably should have hired Bobby Johnson so UT would suck and no one would go downtown on game days and spend money and pickup the Metropulse.

tuscavol writes:

in response to FREEDOM:

NOPE. I still would vote against Obama regardless of what Frank, Kiffin or the NCAA say or do.

If the answer is no, then why use the Obama thing. We are talking Tennessee football, not politics. Let's try and stay focused.

gem1553 writes:

in response to Brett51:

Who cares? I don't care how he gets them, what they do, or how many " sl*ts" it takes! Win and people will look the other way. You think they didn't know Reggie Bush was being payed to play at USC? Of course they did, but when your winning championhips who gives a f* uck!

Hmm - ask Tiger Woods if people just look the other way as long as you are winning. At what point do morals and ethics merge (or intersect)with athletics? I don't believe there is anyone around who is perfect. Maybe all of these secondary violations aren't really that big of a deal. But when people are willing to lie and cover up little things, don't you think they would do so about larger things? And if people are looking at you under a microscope, wouldn't you make sure there is nothing larger that could be uncovered? It seems to me that some of this coaching/leadership staff is not catching on to this notion and something larger could come out later. And what type of action would that have to be to deemed inappropriate conduct?

rlmiller writes:

Excuses, excuses, excuses. You guys are as much of an embarrassment as Coach Kiffin. You're definitely drawing as many laughs. Thanks for the great representation of the state of Tennessee. Jeez!

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