--“In practice however, ID is an advertising campaign and a tool for fundamentalist Christians who see it as a wedge with which to drive Genesis back into science classes and public policy.”
You’re way off base, Rick. Those who favor a literal Genesis, generally oppose the ID concept. But yes, some (the Dover school board) did employ it as a ‘tool’. But are you serious regarding the Book of Genesis being taught in a science class? The straw man you just set up doesn’t need knocking over. It will fall of its own weight.
--“And they use lawyers and press releases. The Discovery Institute in Seattle is promoting intelligent design with a media machine that is churning out several press releases every week. Using funding from Young Earth Creationists, the lawyers and politicos who head the Discovery Institute keep the ID "manufactroversy" in business.“
Who has more lawyers, DI or NCSE, who also ropes in the ACLU’s aggressive legal team? And regarding press releases, NCSE probably puts out more than DI. Moreover, they have NAS, AAAS and others towing their line as well. But you’re helping to make my point, that this whole fiasco has become a legal brouhaha, and science has become the ‘fall guy.’
--“If there are any actual honest ID "scientists", people actually trying to study something scientifically and trying to devise actual falsifiable tests, they are lost in sea of bamboozle and mis-direction that is the heart and soul of the "Intelligent Design" lobby.“
I think you have it backwards. If anything, DI is a seagull on a beach of stone throwers. And the ID “scientists” your refer to do not exist in the lab world, industry or academia since they are not allowed in. Government funding, academic tenure, and the ability to publish in scientific journals are non-existent. So in essence, these reasons are the grounds for bills like this to be put in place. To ease the legal and political burdens that those under fire have had to endure. The academics and scientists that have tried to shout down this bill and others are only acting as Lemmings, themselves held in tight restraint within the same restrictive system.
No, those in the market place at present will not lift a finger in their own and others’ defense. It’s called ‘why rock the boat.’ But I predict that upcoming scientists and engineers will, given the life rafts that they possess, which I’ll term 'guts and fortitude'. I myself attended Western Michigan University in the sixties, and dropped out due to disagreements over evolutionary theory and other hard established doctrine (+ too many parking tickets). Is it hard to imagine that there may be others in coincident situations? Enrollments today are down, and many working profs today are leery of having to teach various evolutionary subjects, frankly, due to the risks involved.
We need to remove the political shackles that are not in place. Let’s start with this legislation.
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leebowman writes:
--“In practice however, ID is an advertising campaign and a tool for fundamentalist Christians who see it as a wedge with which to drive Genesis back into science classes and public policy.”
You’re way off base, Rick. Those who favor a literal Genesis, generally oppose the ID concept. But yes, some (the Dover school board) did employ it as a ‘tool’. But are you serious regarding the Book of Genesis being taught in a science class? The straw man you just set up doesn’t need knocking over. It will fall of its own weight.
--“And they use lawyers and press releases. The Discovery Institute in Seattle is promoting intelligent design with a media machine that is churning out several press releases every week. Using funding from Young Earth Creationists, the lawyers and politicos who head the Discovery Institute keep the ID "manufactroversy" in business.“
Who has more lawyers, DI or NCSE, who also ropes in the ACLU’s aggressive legal team? And regarding press releases, NCSE probably puts out more than DI. Moreover, they have NAS, AAAS and others towing their line as well. But you’re helping to make my point, that this whole fiasco has become a legal brouhaha, and science has become the ‘fall guy.’
--“If there are any actual honest ID "scientists", people actually trying to study something scientifically and trying to devise actual falsifiable tests, they are lost in sea of bamboozle and mis-direction that is the heart and soul of the "Intelligent Design" lobby.“
I think you have it backwards. If anything, DI is a seagull on a beach of stone throwers. And the ID “scientists” your refer to do not exist in the lab world, industry or academia since they are not allowed in. Government funding, academic tenure, and the ability to publish in scientific journals are non-existent. So in essence, these reasons are the grounds for bills like this to be put in place. To ease the legal and political burdens that those under fire have had to endure. The academics and scientists that have tried to shout down this bill and others are only acting as Lemmings, themselves held in tight restraint within the same restrictive system.
No, those in the market place at present will not lift a finger in their own and others’ defense. It’s called ‘why rock the boat.’ But I predict that upcoming scientists and engineers will, given the life rafts that they possess, which I’ll term 'guts and fortitude'. I myself attended Western Michigan University in the sixties, and dropped out due to disagreements over evolutionary theory and other hard established doctrine (+ too many parking tickets). Is it hard to imagine that there may be others in coincident situations? Enrollments today are down, and many working profs today are leery of having to teach various evolutionary subjects, frankly, due to the risks involved.
We need to remove the political shackles that are not in place. Let’s start with this legislation.
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